Talks of The Mother - III
following brief passage about sleep and dreams, is part
of a longer, incompletely recorded talk.)
one sleeps, how can one distinguish the nature of the visions?
do not leave the same impression at all.
In order to know things well, one must educate oneself, develop
the conscious being. But there are all kinds of different
things, there are mental and vital projections exactly as
in the cinema; then there are visions you may have if you
are exteriorised in the mental and vital regions; the great
difference is that these dreams are imposed upon you, you
are taken in... [Here a whole passage is missing.] Then there
are countless dreams without any connection which have no
interest. For your brain is like a recording instrument: something
comes and strikes hundreds of cells, each thing must strike
a small note. Things will strike the brain convolutionsa
remembrance, an impression, all kinds of tiny memoriesit
depends on your condition. But you have the control, ideas
follow each other in accordance with a certain logic; there
is also a mechanism which puts memories into movement through
contagion, and the movement through contagion is made according
to logic (what you call logic). But when you sleep, that faculty
usually goes to sleep, so all those little cells are left
to themselves and the connectionslike the connections
of electric wiresdon't work any longer, things come
the wrong way round or in any direction at all. You must not
look for a meaning. It was a contagion: because this one was
vibrating, that other also vibrated, one vibration gives rise
to another. Your logic works no longer. And you have fantastic
dreams, absurd dreams.
is very difficult to put one's mind into repose. The majority
of men get up very tired, more tired than when they went to
sleep. One must learn how to quieten one's mind, make it completely
blank, and then when one wakes up, one feels refreshed. One
must relax the whole mind in the pure white silence, then
one has the least number of dreams.
22 April 1953
Mother, you have said that one can exercise one's conscious
will and change the course of one's dreams.
yes, I have already told you that once. If you are in the
middle of a dream and something happens which you don't like
(for instance, somebody shouts that he wants to kill you),
you say: "That won't do at all, I don't want my dream
to be like that", and you can change the action or the
ending. You can organise your dream as you want. One can arrange
one's dreams. But for this you must be conscious that you
are dreaming, you must know you are dreaming.
these dreams are not of much importance, are they?
they are, and one must be conscious of what can happen. Suppose
that you have gone for a stroll in the vital world; there
you meet beings who attack you (that's what happens usually),
if you know that it is a dream, you can very easily gather
your vital forces and conquer. That's a true fact; you can
with a certain attitude, a certain word, a certain way of
being do things you would not do if you were just dreaming.
in the dream someone kills you it doesn't matter, for it
is just a dream!
beg your pardon! Usually, the next day you are ill, or may
be a little later. That's a warning. I know someone whose
eye was thus hurt in a dream, and who really lost his eye
a few days later. As for me, once I happened to dream getting
blows on my face. Well, when I woke up the next morning, I
had a red mark in the same place, on the forehead and the
cheek... Inevitably, a wound received in the vital being is
translated in the physical body.
how does it happen? There must be some intermediary?
was in the vital that I was beaten. It is from within that
this comes. Nothing, nobody touched anything from outside.
If you receive a blow in the vital, the body suffers the consequence.
More than half of our illnesses are the result of blows of
this kind, and this happens much more often than one believes.
Only, men are not conscious of their vital, and as they are
not conscious they don't know that fifty per cent of their
illnesses are the result of what happens in the vital: shocks,
accidents, fighting, ill-will... Externally this is translated
by an illness. If one knows how it reacts on the physical,
one goes to its source and can cure oneself in a few hours.
is it that the symbolism of dreams varies according to traditions,
the form given to the dream is mental. If you have learnt
that such and such a form represents such and such a mythological
person, you see that form and say: "It is that."
In your mind there is an association between certain ideas
and certain forms, and this is continued in the dream. When
you translate your dream you give it an explanation corresponding
to what you have learnt, what you have been taught, and it
is with the mental image you have in your head that you know.
Moreover, I have explained this to you a little later in the
vision of Joan of Arc (Mother takes her book and reads):
beings who were always appearing and speaking to Jeanne
d'Arc would, if seen by an Indian, have quite a different
appearance; for when one sees, one projects the forms of
one's mind You have the vision of one in India whom you
call the Divine Mother; the Catholics say it is the Virgin
Mary, and the Japanese call it Kwannon, the Goddess of Mercy;
and others would give other names. It is the same force,
the same power, but the images made of it are different
in different faiths."
then? You are not very talkative today! Is that all?
say that "each person has his own world of dream-imagery
peculiar to himself."
individual has his own way of expressing, thinking, speaking,
feeling, understanding. It is the combination of all these
ways of being that makes the individual. That is why everyone
can understand only according to his own nature. As long as
you are shut up in your own nature, you can know only what
is in your consciousness. All depends upon the height of the
nature of your consciousness. Your world is limited to what
you have in your consciousness. If you have a very small consciousness,
you will understand only a few things. When your consciousness
is very vast, universal, only then will you understand the
world. If the consciousness is limited to your little ego,
all the rest will escape you... There are people whose brain
and consciousness are smaller than a walnut. You know that
a walnut resembles the brain; well these people look at things
and don't understand them. They can understand nothing else
except what is in direct contact with their senses. For them
only what they taste, what they see, hear, touch has a reality,
and all the rest simply does not exist, and they accuse us
of speaking fancifully! "What I cannot touch does not
exist", they say. But the only answer to give them is:
"It does not exist for you, but there's no reason why
it shouldn't exist for others." You must not insist with
these people, and you must not forget that the smaller they
are the greater is the audacity in their assertions.
cocksureness is in proportion to one's unconsciousness; the
more unconscious one is, the more is one sure of oneself.
The most foolish are always the most vain. Your stupidity
is in proportion to your vanity. The more one knows... In
fact, there is a time when one is quite convinced that one
knows nothing at all. There's not a moment in the world which
does not bring something new, for the world is perpetually
growing. If one is conscious of that, one has always something
new to learn. But one can become conscious of it only gradually.
One's conviction that one knows is in direct proportion to
one's ignorance and stupidity.
have the scientists, then, a very small consciousness?
All scientists are not like that. If you meet a true scientist
who has worked hard, he will tell you: "We know nothing.
What we know today is nothing beside what we shall know tomorrow.
This year's discoveries will be left behind next year."
A real scientist knows very well that there are many more
things he doesn't know than those he knows. And this is true
of all branches of human activity. I have never met a scientist
worthy of the name who was proud. I have never met a man of
some worth who has told me: "I know everything."
Those I have seen have always confessed: "In short, I
know nothing." After having spoken of all that he has
done, all that he has achieved, he tells you very quietly:
"After all, I know nothing."
are people who say at times that they know nothing, just
to appear modest, but they don't believe what they say!
are insincere and hypocritical people everywhere in the world.
So much the worse for them. These shut the door completely
to all progress. That is all.
us who attend classes, is it dangerous then to study?
quite the contrary! For if you begin to study well, your consciousness
awakens, and you can become more aware of what you still lack.
This reminds me of the lady who, having gradually become conscious,
told me: "Before I heard you, I had trust in men, everybody
was very kind, I was happy. Now that I have begun to see clearly
and become conscious, I have lost all my serenity! It is awful
to become conscious!"
is to be done?Become still more conscious. It is very
bad to learn just a little. One must learn more until one
comes to the point where one sees that one knows nothing...
I spoke to you about the novice who wants to pass on to others
what he has learntuntil the day he sees he has not much
to pass on. Usually all religious teaching is based on that.
A very little knowledge, with precise formulas which are well
written (often quite well written) and crystallise in the
brain, and assert: "That is indeed the truth." You
have only to study what is there in the book. How easy it
is! In every religion there is a bookwhether it be the
Catechism, the Hindu texts, the Koran, in short, all the sacred
booksyou learn it by heart. You are told that this-is-the-truth,
and you are sure it is the truth and remain comfortable. It
is very convenient, you don't need to try to understand. Those
who don't know the same thing as you, are in the falsehood,
and you even pray for those who are outside the "Truth"!
This is a common fact in all religions. But in all religions
there are people who know better and don't believe in these
things. I had met one of these particularly, one belonging
to the Catholic faith. He was a big man. I spoke to him about
what I knew and asked him: "Why do you use this method?
Why do you perpetuate ignorance?" He answered: "It
is a policy of peace of mind. If we didn't do that, people
wouldn't listen to us. This, indeed, is the secret of religions."
He told me: "There are in our religion, as in the ancient
initiations, people who know. There are schools where the
old tradition is taught. But we are forbidden to speak about
it. All these religious images are symbols representing something
other than what is taught. But that is not taught outside."
reason for this is very generous and kind (according to them):
"People who have a tiny brainand there are plentyif
we tell them something that's too high, too great, it troubles
them, disturbs them, and they become unhappy. They will never
be able to understand. Why worry them uselessly? They don't
have the capacity to find the truth. Whilst, if you tell them:
`If you have faith in this, you will go to heaven', they are
quite happy." There, you see. It is very convenient.
That is why it is perpetuated, otherwise there would be no
am not telling you this to encourage one particular religion
rather than another. But this is a procedure that seems generous...
Otherwise there would be no religions; there would be masters
and disciples, people who have a higher teaching and an exceptional
experience. That would be a very good thing. But as soon as
the master is gone, what happens is that the knowledge he
gave is changed into a religion. Rigid dogmas are established,
religious rules come into being and one cannot but bow down
before the Tables of the Law. Yet at the beginning it was
not like that. You are told: "This is true, this is false,
the Master has said.... " Some time later the master
becomes a god, and you are told: "God has said this."
that I am telling you this because I know that here you are
all liberated from religions. If I had before me someone having
a religion he believed in, I would tell him: "It is very
good, keep your religion, continue." Happily for all
of you, you don't have one. And I hope you will never have
one, for it means a door shut upon all progress.
- The Mother