Mother Answers on Dreams and Visions - III
be able to enter the "earth-memory" consciously,
a discipline is needed. What discipline?
discipline much more difficult than the discipline of yoga!
It is an occult discipline.
of all, one must learn to go out of one's body consciously
and to enter into another more subtle body; to use one's will
to go where one wants to go, never to fear and sometimes to
face unexpected and even terrible things; to remain calm,
to develop the mind's visual sense, to accustom one's mind
to be altogether peaceful and quiet...You know, the list is
long and I could continue like this for hours!
among you has had the experience of going out of the bodygoing
out and knowing about it? I do not even speak of doing it
at will, for that is another stage.
I went out of my body but got back into it immediately!
did not take the opportunity of going for a little walk, did
you? Well, you are not inquisitive!
can one know that one has gone out of the body?
see it immobile on your bed. There are other means of knowing
went out of my body under the effect of chloroform. I saw
my body on the table and I witnessed the operation.
too I knew quite a remarkable clairvoyant. One day she had
to undergo an operation and she was chloroformed; she went
out of her body. Suddenly she began to see what was going
on in the minds of the people who were there. She had the
habit of talking, even while asleep, and she began to speak
out quite aloud: she said that so-and-so had worries, that
another had a problem to solve, and that its solution was
such and such a thing.
was an exceptional casethat happens only to gifted persons
and there are not many of these. But the number of persons
who remain conscious under chloroform is greater than one
thinks; but generally, when one wakes up from chloroform one
feels pretty uneasy and remembers but vaguely his experiences
outside the body. Is there anyone here who has fainted suddenly,
as if by accident? You see your body, don't you? And you ask
yourself, "But what is it doing there in that ridiculous
position?" And you rush back into it! That happened to
me once in Paris. I had been treated to a good dinner, and
then I went to a conference hall, I believe. There were many
people, it was very hot, I was standing there with the good
dinner in my stomach, and suddenly I felt ill at ease. I told
the person who was with me, "I must go out immediately."
Once outside (it was in Trocadero Square) I fainted away completely.
I saw my body there, stretched out, and I found it so ridiculous
that I rushed into it and I gave it a good scolding, saying,
"You must not play such tricks with me!"
people faint like this and see themselves. There is one condition
for this: the organ of sight in the subtle physical body or
in the most material vital must be developed.
must tell you that this kind of capacity may come spontaneously,
without effortone may be a born clairvoyant. They are
not necessarily very intelligent people, their vital consciousness
may be mediocre, but they are born clairvoyant. It is not
a sign of a great developmentit comes from something
else, from a capacity of the parents, of past lives, etc...
But if you are not born clairvoyant, and if you do not carry
in you the other extreme, I mean a psychic being wholly conscious
and fully developed which leads its own independent life in
the body, and you want to learn to see and have visions, then
it is a very long, very slow discipline and there are very
few people who have the necessary patience and endurance to
go to the end of the training.
is interesting but it is not essential, one can do without
it. It is the same as with dreams. But if you can develop
this capacity, it can make your life more rich, it can make
your consciousness progress more quickly.
say there are two categories of people: those who are asked
to meditate and those who are not asked. How to know to
which category one belongs?
So, can we ask you?
Certainly, I am here for that!
At times when one goes out of the
body, the body follows the part which goes out.
are speaking of a somnambulist? But that is quite another
thing. This means that the part which goes out (whether a
part of the mind or a part of the vital) is so strongly attached
to the body, or rather that the body is so attached to this
part, that when this part decides to do something the body
follows it automatically. In your inner being you decide to
do a certain thing and your body is so closely tied to your
inner being that without thinking of it, without wanting to
do so, without making any effort, it follows and does the
same thing. Note that in this matter, the physical body has
capacities it would not have in the ordinary waking condition.
For instance, it is well known that one can walk in dangerous
places where one would find it rather difficult to walk in
the waking state. The body follows the consciousness of the
inner being and its own consciousness is asleepfor the
body has a consciousness. All the parts of the being, including
the most material, have an independent consciousness. Hence
when you go to sleep dead tired, when your physical body needs
rest absolutely, your physical consciousness sleeps, while
the consciousness of your subtle physical body or your vital
or of your mind does not sleep, it continues its activity;
but your physical consciousness is separated from the body,
it is asleep in a state of unconsciousness, and then the part
which does not sleep, which is active, uses the body without
the physical consciousness as intermediary and makes it do
things directly. That is how one becomes a somnambulist. According
to my experience, the waking consciousness goes to sleep for
some reason or other (usually due to fatigue), but the inner
being is awake, and the body is so tied to it that it follows
it automatically. That is why you do fantastic things, because
you do not see them physically, you see them in a different
is said that somnambulism is due to serious preoccupations
and cares. Is this true? Tartini composed a sonata in this
state, and when he got up in the morning, he wrote down
the whole thing.
is not always due to preoccupations and cares! Yes, there
are people who write wonderful things when in a state of somnambulism.
But Tartini was not a somnambulistit was in the dream-state
that he wrote sonatas.
other state is always a little dangerous, always. Unexpected
things can happen, an accident to the vital, for instance.
can one be cured of somnambulism?
simply, by putting a will upon the body before going to sleep.
One becomes a somnambulist because the mind is not developed
enough to break the inner ties. For the mind always separates
the external being from the deeper consciousness. Little children
are quite tied up. I knew children who were quite sincere
but could not distinguish whether a thing was going on in
their imagination or in reality. For them the inner life was
as real as the external life. They were not telling stories,
they were not liars; simply the inner life was as real as
the external life. There are children who go night after night
to the same spot in order to continue the dream they have
begun they are experts in the art of going out of their bodies.
it good to leave the body asleep and go out rambling? Can
one go back into the body at any moment one likes?
is dangerous if you sleep surrounded by people who may come
and shake you up, believing that something has happened to
you. But if you are alone and sleep quietly, there is no danger.
can get back into the body at any time and generally it is
much more difficult to remain outside than to get back as
soon as the least thing happens, one rushes back quickly into
one goes out of the body leaving it on the bed, can someone
else enter it?
That can happen but it is extremely rare, once in a hundred
cannot entera human being cannot enter the body of another
unless he has quite an exceptional and unique occult knowledge
and in that case he will not do it.
if a human being does not enter, at times there are beings
of the vital world who do not have a body and want to have
one for the fun of the experience, and when they see that
someone has gone out of the body (but he must go out very
materially) and is not sufficiently protected, they can rush
in to take his place. But it is such a rare thing that if
you had not put the question I would not have spoken about
it. Still it is not an impossibility.
who have nightmares of this kind should always protect themselves
occultly before going out of the bodyit can be done
in many ways. The simplest way, one which needs no special
knowledge is to call the Guru or, if one knows somebody who
has the knowledge, to call him in thought or spirit; or to
protect oneself by making a kind of wall of protection around
oneself (one can do many things, can't one?); this can prevent
such beings from entering.
you have a disposition for exteriorisation and if you follow
a yoga, you are always asked to protect your sleep: by some
contemplation, a mental movement, any movementthere
are many ways of protecting oneself. But I think there is
no such danger for you; perhaps not for everybody, but still
one would have to be terribly ambitious, terribly insincere
for such a thing to happen; one would have to be in relation
with truly wicked entities, for, a being who lives in orderliness
and truth will never rush into the body of another, that is
an act of disorder and it is not done.
it the psychic being which goes out or some other part of
it is the psychic being which goes out, one would not be aware
of it, the more so as most of the time it is not within you!
Very few people carry their psychic being within them because
the dwelling-place is not ready. What goes out is sometimes
the subtle physical, this is when one sees one's body stretched
out for the physical vision to remain conscious, it must be
a very material part of the being which goes out; one must
go out very materially in the subtle physical body or in the
most material vital. But usually it is the vital which goes
out and still more often the mental being; but when it is
the mind which goes out one is not aware of it at all, for
the mind is like the psychic, it is very rarely within you.
If you think of something or somebody, one part of your mind
is immediately there the mind is a vagabond, it roves, it
comes and goes, it enters and goes out. There are very few
people who have organised their mind sufficiently to keep
it within them, close-packed, and prevent it from gadding
times I seem to go out of my body and see it dead.
that is a mere dream; probably you did not go out of your
body at all. There are people who dream they are dead. But
that is of no importance.
one goes out of the body, one must try to rush towards you
I think everybody does that, don't they?
one in a hundred!
If you did that, very interesting things would happen to you.
I knew someone in France who used to come to me every evening
in order that I might show him some unknown region and take
him for a ramble in the vital or mental world, and actually
I used to take him there. At times there were others also,
at times this person was alone. I showed him how to go out
of the body, how to get back into it, how to keep the consciousness,
etc..., I showed him many places telling him "There you
must take this precaution, here you must do such and such
a thing." And this continued for a long time.
do not mean that no one among you comes to me in the night,
but there are very few who do it consciously. Generally (you
will tell me if I am wrong, but that is my impression), when
you go to sleep and have decided to remember me before going
to sleep, it is rather a call than a will to "rush"
to me, as you say. You are there on your bed, you want to
rest, to have a good sleep, remain in a good consciousness;
then you call me rather than have the idea of going out of
the body and coming to see me.
- The Mother