in Supramental Life
what place will occultism have in the supramental life?
everything will be known, wont it?
occultism? There is a place for everything in the supramental
this interest you specially?
to what we know about occultism, it is the science which
shows us things that are invisible to us, the invisible
world, the invisible forces.
But in the supramental
world all this will be known.
do you understand by occultism?
knowledge of the invisible world and invisible forces.
soI dont quite understand. In the supermind
one will no longer have any knowledge, or what?
will have the knowledge already, so
But then it will be an occult knowledge! I dont quite
is a special way of dealing with things. In The Life
Divine Sri Aurobindo has explained this in great detail.
It is a special approach to knowledge and action, and there
is no reason why it should disappear or why.
will become the natural consciousness. Then perhaps
one wont need to learn this occult knowledge.
you think one learns occultism as one learns to play
the piano! (Laughter) But it is not quite like
that, anyway, that things happen. In fact, those who
have no special aptitude could read all the books on
occultism in the world and never know how to practise
it. It needs a special capacity.
is true that you may also read all the books in the
world on how to play the pianoif you do not play,
you will never know how to play. But there are born
musicians, born artists, and there are people who may
work at it all their lives and never come to anything
at all. It is the same thing with occultism. If you
mean that when one becomes a supramental being, one
will have the gift of doing everything, very well, but
that doesnt imply that the gift is spontaneous.
It is possible that you might have to concentrate on
the subject and then learn your work. And it is also
possible that one may be potentially capable of doing
everything but it is not necessary that one has to do
everything! There will be differences and classifications
all the same, and special functions according to people
and their individual tastes. I dont see why you
should deprive the supramental world particularly of
occult activity more than of any other.
do you conceive of the supramental life? As a paradise
in which everyone will do the same thing in the same
The old conception of paradise where everybody
became an angel playing the harp? It is not quite like
that! All the differences will be there, all differentiations
and different activities, but instead of acting in the
ordinary human ignorance, one will act with knowledge,
thats all; that is what will make the difference.
the capacities will also increase, wont they?
You take occultism in the sense of the power to act
on life and things, as a process; but that is not occultism,
that is magic.
is a special use of the consciousness, thats all.
That is, at the moment, as it is practised by human
beings, it is a direct and conscious perception of the
forces behind appearances and the play of these forces,
and because one has the direct perception of them, one
has the power to act on them, and one makes some higher
will intervene in the play of these forces in order
to obtain a required result.
the supramental world one will have these powers spontaneously.
But everybody practises occultism without knowing that
he does. Everybody has this power spontaneously but
doesnt know he has it. It may be a very slight
one, like a pin-head; it may be as vast as the Earth
or even the universe. But you cannot live without practising
occultism, only you dont know it. So the only
difference you can make is that when one has the supramental
consciousness one will know it. That is all. So, your
question automatically vanishes.
you thinkI have explained this to you I dont
know how many timeswhen you think, you are practising
occultism. Only, you dont know it. When you are
thinking of someone, some part of you is automatically
in contact with this person, and if to your thought
is added a will that this person may be like this or
like that or do this or that or understand this or thatwhatever
it may bewell, you are practising occultism, only
you dont know it.
There are people who do
this with power, and when they have a strong thought
it manifests and is realised. There are people in whom
it is very feeble and they do not obtain many results.
It depends on the power of your thought and also on
your power of concentration. But this kind of occultism
everybody practises without even knowing it. So the
difference from someone who really practises occultism
is that he knows he is doing it and perhaps how he does
as you have spoken to us so often of Mr. X who was a
great occultist, I thought that in the supramental world
it would be something natural. All would be as capable
why this in particular? That is what I dont understand!
Why particularly occultism?
I thought that all knowledge of the invisible world
entered the sphere of occultism.
now, in ordinary life man is unconscious, half conscious;
but in the full consciousness he would also have the
full consciousness of occultism.
this is all very well, but do you believe that in the
supramental life there will no longer be any classification
of activities, or what? That everything will be mixed
up in a general spontaneous capacity?
there will also be a hierarchy.
will always be different ways of dealing with things.
Perhaps the occult power will be more common,
but if you imagine a world where everyone has equally
the same occult power, there will no longer be any difference.
You understand? There are people who have the occult
power and act on those who havent, but if everyone
has it equally it will no longer be occultism!
Is that what you meant?
Well, I am convinced that even in the most perfect supramental
realisation there will always be a differentiation
between the capacities and functions of each one; but
instead of being or not being in ones right place,
of doing or not doing what one ought to do, unconsciously,
one will be in ones right placeI hope always
in ones placeand will always do what one
ought to do, consciously. That is, instead of always
trying to know and groping in the dark, one will know
what one ought to do and do it well. But that is the
whole difference. Differentiations will be there, each
one will have his own role, his own place, each one
will have his own activity. Dont think that everybody
will begin to look alike and do the same thing in the
same way! That would be a terrible world.
could say that the difference between the supramental
world and our present world will be this: what you dont
know, you will know, what you cant do, you will
be able to do, and what you dont understand, you
will understand, and of what you are unconscious, you
will become conscious. But fundamentally this is the
basis of the new creation: to replace ignorance by knowledge
and unconsciousness by consciousness, and weakness by
strength. But this does not necessarily mean that everything
is going to be so mixed up that it is scarcely recognisable!
Aurobindo has told us that in the Supermind itself there
are different planes of realisation and that these planes
will manifest successively, with the same progressive
movement that has always presided over the universal
development. And simply because, till today, it is a
world that is closed to the greater part of mankind
or hardly half-open to some, it is difficult to conceive
of this progress in the supramental life, but it will
exist; and the moment there is progress, there is ascension,
and there is a perfection which develops according to
a law of its own, which is gradually unveiled to the
consciousnesseven to a fully illumined
consciousnessand works in the truth instead of
working in ignorance.
This something [When this
talk was first published, Mother defined this something:
The unmanifest which will use the supramental
world to manifest itself.] which is not there
completely, totally, all at onceit could almost
be said massivelyin the Manifestation but is progressive,
will follow the same law of development as that of the
world we live in now, but instead of not knowing where
we are going, well, we shall know the way and follow
it consciously. Instead of standing there imagining
or guessing or speculating about what ought to be, we
shall see where we are going and know how to go there.
That will be the essential difference. Certainly it
will not be a dull existence in which everything goes
on indefinitely without changing.
believe there is always a tendency in the human consciousness
to want to get somewhere, to sit down and feel it is
at last all over: We have arrived, we settle down
and dont move any more! That would be a
poor type of Supermind.
this ascending, progressive movement towards a growing
perfection will be still more prominent, certainly,
and instead of unfolding itself in the darkness where
everybody is blind and gropes along, it will unfold
in the light and one will have the joy of knowing where
one is going and what one is doing. Thats all.
one must not come and ask, Will this be there?
or Wont that be there? There will
be many more things still than we have now. Every possible
thing will be there.
- The Mother